Various Myths about Russian and Soviet military equipment.
Various Myths about russian and soviet military equipment.
List
Russia has no targeting Pods
Once you hit ERA that's it gone
T-72B3 is just a B with thermals
russian tanks have too much recoil therefore stabiliser is bad
Russia doesn't care about their crew because their tanks don't use blow out panels
reverse speed ruins your T-80, T-90s and T-72s”
BMPT gun wobbles so that means it's bad”
USSR struggled to build solid state electronics"
russisn tanks pop after one hit
Russia never had any innovation with military technology”
Russia had no night attack aircraft until 2000s"
Russian fighter jets just copy western”
T-72 is one of the worst tanks of all time”
Your Irbis-E is a 70-80s level radar”
Russian tanks have no gun depression because they're bad
Your ICBMs are bad which is why you had to create big nukes like Tsar Bomba”
The Su-57 is only russian fighter with an AESA radar”
Your IRSTs are ancient”
Your navy ships constantly break down"
Your fighter jets always break down"
The T-14 was cancelled because it costs too much"
Russian equipment is cheaper because it's inferior
On mig29 variants
Sold to Algeria
On combat missions
UKR-RL Pika-M pod with AESA SLAR for su34m
In use
Image
Firstly, the recoil has nothing to do with the stabilisation system being bad in Russian tanks. Secondly the recoil only lasts 2-3 seconds meanwhile the fastest russian Autoloaders take 5 seconds to fire again so by time it's ready to fire it's back on target and stopped swaying. This is probably because it's only a 2× axis stabilisation combined with a powerful 125mm gun and having much lower weight than other MBTs and more crucially much smaller turrets
https://youtu.be/-ubdBZ6ZT8s?si=fvXYMngRvdHcZ15M
https://youtu.be/tj-a9dfflyc?si=NBeztLiw6yZqtQTP
https://youtu.be/qL8y8lTjFSQ?si=C-Bzwgjsx5pJlMm-
https://youtu.be/Cm08yR-tyLM?si=naIBGT3SkW_23hjV
https://youtu.be/rVtWp0wkqEA?si=uXZ9gFr7P4iawbej
https://youtube.com/shorts/soP_V3s5-jc?si=HqIJT_vuYLvWQVaM
https://youtube.com/shorts/XC7BcOaeDEQ?si=is6Z_CzH5cyOnneH
https://youtube.com/shorts/x6gM79_d5dg?si=g899ywtSS1JQDuSf
https://youtube.com/shorts/TjjL4JS02wQ?si=7VoHEnFwZasIvtJI
Size difference
"Russia doesn't care about their crew because their tanks don't use blow out panels"
Ah, a classic. Western countries care about their crews Russia doesn't.
Utter nonsense.
Firstly, Russia does care. Hence why the newest T-72B3, T-90A and T-80BVM all have the latest fully digital fire suppression systems with anti deflagration systems to reduce Cook off chances along with new PKUZ-1A fully digital CBRN protection and updated spall liners.
As Well as the fact that Russia's new T-14 MBT has an Unmanned turret with blow out panels.
It's also nonsense because the only western or similar tanks that have full secure ammo storage with blow out panels are the M1 Abrams and Leclerc. Type 90, Merkava, Leopard 2, Ariete, Challenger 1 and Challenger 2 all carry most or all their ammunition in the hull with most recent production Leopard 2s still not using full secure ammo storage.
Let's go over it.
Secure ammo storage
M1 Abrams / produced
Leclerc / produced
Challenger 3 / Prototype
Type 10 / produced
Type 15 / produced
K1 / produced
K2 / produced
Arjurn / produced
T-95 / Prototype
T-80 Burlack / Prototype
Unmanned turret
KF-41 / Prototype
EMBT / Prototype
T-14 Armata / produced
K3 / concept
Object 490 / Prototype
M1A3 Abrams / concept
Leopard 3 / concept
Blow out panels aren't alien to Russia either. In the 1980s Object 490 had an armoured capsule with blow out panels but was cancelled due to costs and the collapse of the USSR, then there was the T-95 in 90s then in 2000s Russia created the T-80 Burlack which stored all ammo in secure storage at turret bustle but yet again was cancelled because of costs.
Here are the two AZ and MZ type autoloaders.
It's also nonsense as T-80BVM, T-90A, T-72B3M and T-90M with new MZ-643A, AZ-185M2 and AZ-184A autoloaders have a BTK-1Sh steel shell (450+ BHN strength) protection that reduce chances of catastrophic detonation thanks to the 3ETs13-2 digital explosion suppression system with anti deflagration cannisters.
Below on AZ-184A
https://youtu.be/7VB7Jdn9gyA?si=KCWdMrzT6r_P4ZnE&utm_source=MTQxZ
New one
https://youtu.be/L35RzZhoZzQ?si=5Ez0dYPJLH5avFpK&utm_source=MTQxZ
https://youtu.be/xmhG6P02k-w?si=CAWfM7XG9MWEj8H1&utm_source=MTQxZ
The separation of propellants with anti deflagration systems allows crew to escape cook off.
Actually believe it or not most catastrophic detonations are caused by the detonations of Hull ammo stowed away as in pre 2000s models there was no anti deflagration cannisters in those areas.
“reverse speed ruins your T-80, T-90s and T-72s”
No.
If in an urban environment then it's not going to take long to get behind cover
If in an open environment then you can just move forward
Tank vs tank is not really a thing anymore, they're used mainly to support Infantry, fight light armour and assault fortified positions.
If there is enemy armour ahead usually the first call is for CAS or to deploy anti tank teams such as ATGM operators or loitering munition operators. APFSDS and GLATGMs by tank are for self defence and last ditch.
Hence why in modern war like in Ukraine that has mass use of tanks by both sides, tank vs tank is quite rare.
“Why has it been improved on new Russian tanks ?”
T-72B4 and T-90M received completely new engines and digitally assisted transmissions yet reverse speed wasn't changed. Likewise for the T-80BVM that received a new engine, no new better reverse speed despite fake claims.
T-14 has a better reverse speed bit probably because it was a completely new design again it's irrelevant in real warfare.
Real life isn't war thunder.
“BMPT gun wobbles so that means it's bad”
Doesn't prove anything as US autocannons can be seen wobbling, the gun was probably firing at too high a rate and automatically turned the stabilisation off as even most modern 2E36-6 is only rated for tops 400 rpm whilst 2A42 can top 800.
2A42 is absolutely stabilised as seen in many videos.
https://youtu.be/u5RjMzcQnno?si=GVgTVH4h5NP_H-fD
https://youtu.be/-7Y0Uap_7as?si=mB3Q6w9KH_rPuWFZ
https://youtu.be/at1vxs3zhzc?si=9iY3R4gr5blmoDEO
https://youtu.be/cdXcXYgjID8?si=hcWvMoigy8aPrw2G
US helicopter gun wobbling
https://youtube.com/shorts/cu-FOu1ATzk?si=3BdVYIlm4qFxBxmY
Russian helicopter gun not wobbling
https://youtu.be/ANPmLohXpNE?si=OR-OYlXjShWgr96A
“russisn tanks pop after one hit”
This is just a goofy myth, there are literally numerous videos of Russian tanks getting hit and not popping and not to mention that the T-90M has a secure ammo storage for propellants similar to the Leopard 2 and the T-14 has full ammo storage with blow out panels like Leclerc or Abrams.
Russian Tanks not Exploding after hit
https://youtube.com/shorts/emIPk-yXYRY?si=aFOHat7LviB4iAS
https://youtube.com/shorts/xvbr8etmSzk?si=J_K9HvxDIWBmLNHG
https://youtube.com/shorts/pycGCHXwV_Q?si=ueRDUn4vopfOaIUM
https://youtube.com/shorts/Orl_GyQFSvY?si=DkHEqA6HMfcMJeFh
https://youtube.com/shorts/aluO79HFnbE?si=SKetfOvasnn-mdhl
https://youtube.com/shorts/m7BWoIjc7p8?si=1NJsN60_QGGMSe6H
https://youtube.com/shorts/nMYX5Xu6O5E?si=35ElCFW3-w9SLzZU
https://youtube.com/shorts/UryiuwzTxUg?si=5PzEPO-M7FFf9LU8
https://youtube.com/shorts/u9gvgT_OlI4?si=sOJOPfTCK2FZQWzj
https://youtube.com/shorts/p6AZoxE2RQQ?si=vd-NYgAj0P55yhFv
https://youtube.com/shorts/m7BWoIjc7p8?si=p1j-TqkbAj4Fxd8A
“Yeah well western tanks don't ever pop after one hit”
Lol no.
https://youtu.be/YafzmkvVRiI?si=zTxLgpHf2H73jiOO
https://youtube.com/shorts/2amucbyNxd4?si=G_7zpEj1jIj_C1UB
https://youtu.be/dDWaoegoDnM?si=ychaq7jD-wobXA0U
https://youtu.be/k2gUJbfO1K0?si=42Q6UJu7EbOh2uos
https://youtu.be/JyX4uRjCkfM?si=z_Rv5_h1OljPnmB4
In the end this is modern warfare, you cannot say that “US would do better using the same amount of equipment as Russia in Ukraine” because
They have never fought a modern war since the 50s and not even half modern since the early 70s. So you have no comparison to make.
The last two times they fought at near peer level (based on equipment used in those wars) the first time they got forced to a draw and the second time they lost.
Again our essay Myth of American Military Might comprehensively debunks this idea of the US military being this unbeatable military juggernaut.
It's disproved by basic logic as well. What needs to happen for a catastrophic detonation to happen ? 3 things.
The round needs to pen the tank. So it needs to get past the armour and APS.
It needs to hit the Ammo propellants. So it needs to hit the lower half of the tank
It needs to ignite the Ammo propellants and cause a chain reaction.
It has nothing to do with the autoloader.
It also is disproven with numbers, up to the end of 2024 open source sites counted around ~900 to ~1300 russian tanker deaths, based on averages from war gonzo, VE, Oryx, Lost Armour and War Spotting Russia had lost a low of ~3k tanks to a high of ~7k in that time frame. Russian tanks use 3 crew (again being nice as they used T-62s at this point but trying to be fair) so that's only 300 to 433 tanks that had catastrophic detonations or were damaged enough that killed the whole crew as each tank only has 3 crew members.
Using the 3000 destroyed number.
10-14% of tanks hit had catastrophic detonations
Using the 9k destroyed number
4-6% of tanks hit had a catastrophic detonation
Remember this is assuming a perfect ratio, in reality different tank crewmen would have been killed at different times so the number will be much lower.
Even if you double the tanker deaths it is still only 20-28% and 8-12%. Either way you can see how the argument that Russian tanks explode after one hit has absolutely no validity in both statistics or reasoning.
Blow out panels aren't magic either. If the Ammo detonates all at once then the tank is going to pop as shown in Turkey when a Leopard 2A4 absolutely flew apart after getting hit with a single Konkurs ATGM. It's a simple proportion. In the Ukraine War around ~97% of the tanks fighting were Soviet or Russian, which is why there's only a few dozen Stridsvagn 122, Challenger 2, Leopard 1, Leopard 2 or Abrams that look like or have had catastrophic detonations that killed the whole crew. (Turret blown off or big hole in the back) but still there are numerous such western tanks that have had turrets blown off in various conflicts from the Iraq war, Syria war and Ukraine war.
Blow out panels can help in cook off but a CE will either blow the turret off or blow a hole in the side off and either way the crew is not surviving the huge overpressure wave that will hit them.
It's also just disproven with images and videos
Cook off in Russia tank (with many crew of Russian tanks surviving)
https://youtube.com/shorts/y1rl53e-AL4?si=AL6ijR7BD15T7YmP
https://youtu.be/L35RzZhoZzQ?si=S7eQVfvqB1wSoQDd
https://youtu.be/xmhG6P02k-w?si=HKFzwW74ujk9TeU3
https://youtube.com/shorts/ocBIzFSIch0?si=CbKD3vj0KYdQItfG
https://youtube.com/shorts/exdIKbolx1w?si=hzZpaqmcSQEFQPrH
https://youtube.com/shorts/Epoqb_ChlzY?si=eHZp3xXh_4pM0fiz
People need to learn differences between cook offs and catastrophic detonations
Normal cook offs
https://youtu.be/9OU7x951-qE?si=0vCwBPXAPOkWqd5S
https://youtu.be/pIhSDNl2Cms?si=LODzZ_6k_LtDFwt7
Catastrophic detonations of T-72 and Leopard 2
https://youtu.be/oX7e9pzlLP4?si=8MbwPwM3KH86CIue
https://youtu.be/YafzmkvVRiI?si=ehfSWT-a3n9bAm3_
Abrams with hulls or turrets blown open likely due to CE
“Those were all IEDs”
Wrong. Here is IED explosions
Lets go over some counter arguments.
"The Abrams and Leclerc can't pop because of blow out panels"
A great example is a pressure cooker. Theres an escape valve that has a tolerance and can divert pressure. But if you seal it and kept rapidly increasing the temperature it will pop from all sides. This is proven even in things like boilers that can blow up after their escape valve malfunctions, you'd think "that valve is the thinnest part so will just divert" no. Because the valve and the structure of the boiler is not designed to withstand such explosions.
The pressure safety valve isn't big enough and the container isn't strong enough to control such forces.
Exactly the same as secure ammo storage on a tank. It's literally physics. The tiny size of the blow out panel is not large and the ammo storage casing is not strong enough to contain it.
Literally look at the two videos CDs I showed previously. The Leopard 2 and T-72 one uses conventional propellants the other uses a model similar to the Abrams and you've got to remember aswell those massive explosions are likely only coming from the ~20 rounds kept in the hull whilst Abrams keeps all 40 rounds in a tiny compartment, look at how volatile those explosions are, look how they SHRED the tank apart, the tanks are nigh vaporised, You don't honestly believe that a tiny blow out panel and a sheet of metal for casing is strong enough to contain THAT.
So apparently we have an explosion so violent that it rips over 20 to 40 tonnes of steel apart (turret and top hull) and this is going to be diverted by a tiny hole and a tonne steel casing.
Yeah, no.
"It will fail to gain pressure due to escape hatch"
The thing that doesn't make sense with this argument is "the pressure will escape through the weakest path" yes absolutely correct. In cook offs not catastrophic detonations. We see this with any tank. A T-72 for example during cook off will have flames coming out of all crew hatches.
Yet according to this argument, during a catastrophic detonation the explosive gasses should just go through the multiple crew hatches and not pop the tank.
But it doesn't. And there is numerous videos showing that it doesn't. The tanks just blow apart. There's videos of such tanks popping even after a crew member have just escaped.
"Western propellants use less volatile materials so can't pop"
Now it's true from what I've researched is that NATO uses less volatile materials (but i also think modern Russian, Chinese, Turkish, Israeli etc do the same) yeah that's true. But again problem. Two fold.
1. There is nothing that would indicate IT CANT pop all at once. Just that its less volatile so better resistant to cook off by heated spalling or KEP fragments.
2. There's videos and photos of Leopard 2s, Challenger 2s and Abrams that look like or 100% have had catastrophic detonations
https://youtu.be/YafzmkvVRiI?si=hGOiiaiZoNxR0TMK
https://youtu.be/GnYcTWuhSEA?si=nGM0Ra_gW9ghn4Xf
There's a reason why every video showing a blow out vent working is a cook off. Not a single pop all at once. The cases in middle east where it looks like a single pop (in the images i showed) you can see the entire back end of the turret has blown apart.
This is the pop and the overpressure will kill or seriously maim the crew, this is why there has been lots of crew deaths and injuries in Abrams used by Saudi Arabia, Ukraine and Iraq who have lost hundreds.
CDs are random. They require the perfect circumstances. Most explosions are just cook offs. Blow our panels are good aswell because they can give crew time to escape, catastrophic detonations can happen during cook off as well.
In my view the most common cause for a CD is a HEAT jet or heated spall or KEP fragments that ignites several propellants at once then they ignite each other and in an instant the tank is gone or in rarer cases this can happen during a cook off.
Most commonly you will just see just a burst of flames then a pause then a cook off.
“Javelins one hit any Russian tank”
Lol no
https://youtu.be/qzg7CO_kWGg?si=Ny2oCey_sOqTLXXm
https://youtu.be/B-o1AHESCow?si=_ooe15Z-dVCirAEn
https://youtube.com/shorts/HKPKYB80rRk?si=PjPUbos0FKF7yGuK
https://youtube.com/shorts/pycGCHXwV_Q?si=Mm8XY648MDCfpEVC
"Russian tanks have bad armour"
Rubbish
https://youtu.be/Zeu0GqN4G5k?si=9bRQetmc3ge8ZK5q
https://youtu.be/7_QS-9OnKCA?si=brifJL9GKm5rXjAV
https://youtube.com/shorts/LM14dY3alwc?si=rhuIhkadJmE9u7mo
https://youtu.be/9UnoF86n7UM?si=g9OKmI3HuJtWcmFS
https://youtube.com/shorts/w0M_IctNPNE?si=fNrcFgw5jHeN0Rki
https://youtube.com/shorts/nMYX5Xu6O5E?si=wQFB7fa9q7LNQS9i
https://youtube.com/shorts/m7BWoIjc7p8?si=qzRZG4CJqRt_nfhw
“Russia never had any innovation with military technology”
Let's compare Russia first with American firsts for popular military equipment. (Domestic creation or domestically upgraded no direct or reverse engineered)
Military Innovations
Russia
Fighter Jets
Biplane Fighter Aircraft S-16 / 1916
Metal Mono Fighter Aircraft I-16 / 1934
1st Generation Fighter MiG-9 / 1946
2nd Generation Fighter MiG-19 / 1951
3rd Generation Fighter MiG-25 / 1964
4th Generation Fighter MiG-31 / 1975
4+ Generation Fighter MiG-31M / 1985
4++ Generation Fighter Su-32 / 1990
5th Generation Fighter Su-57 / 2010
Helicopters
1st Generation Helicopter Mi-1 / 1950
2nd Generation Helicopter Mi-8 / 1964
3rd Generation Helicopter Mi-17 / 1975
4th Generation Helicopter Ansat / 1999
Tanks
1st Generation Tank T-54A / 1955
2nd Generation Tank T-64A / 1966
3rd Generation Tank T-64B / 1973
3+ Generation Tank Object 490 / 1988
3++ Generation Tank T-95 / 1995
3.5 Generation Tank T-90M / 2011
4th Generation Tank T-14 / 2014
IFVs
1st Generation IFV BMP-1 / 1963
2nd Generation IFV BRM-1K / 1972
3rd Generation IFV BMP-3 / 1983
4th Generation IFV BMP-1M / 1996
5th Generation IFV BMP Dragoon / 2012
SPAGs
1st Generation SPAG SU-12 / 1918
2nd Generation SPAG 2A3 / 1956
3rd Generation SPAG 2S1 / 1970
4th Generation SPAG 2S19 / 1983
5th Generation SPAG 2S19M2 / 2009
6th Generation SPAG 2S35 / 2015
Towed Guns
1st Generation Artillery M1902 / 1902
2nd Generation Artillery 2A18 / 1960
3rd Generation Artillery 2A29R / 1981
Towed AA Guns
2nd Generation AA M1931-76 / 1931
3rd Generation AA KS-19 / 1948
4th Generation AA RPK-1 S-60 / 1975
5th Generation AA ZU-23M / 2010
SPAAGs
1st Generation SPAAG 4MQ / 1931
2nd Generation SPAAG ZSU-37 / 1942
3rd Generation SPAAG ZSU-37-2 / 1957
4th Generation SPAAG Tunguska / 1976
5th Generation SPAAG Pantsir-S / 1994
6th Generation SPAAG 2S38 / 2017
MLRS
1st Generation MLRS BM-8 / 1939
2nd Generation MLRS BM-21 / 1963
3rd Generation MLRS BM-30 / 1983
4th Generation MLRS BM-21-2B17 / 2003
Area Defence
1st Generation SAM R‐101 / 1948
2nd Generation SAM S-125 / 1959
3rd Generation SAM S-300 / 1973
4th Generation SAM S-400 / 2004
5th Generation SAM S-500 / 2019
Point Defence
1st Generation VSHORAD Strela-1 / 1963
2nd Generation VSHORAD 9K33 / 1965
3rd Generation VSHORAD 2K22 / 1975
4th Generation VSHORAD Kortik / 1987
Manpads
1st Generation Manpad Strela-2 / 1965
2nd Generation Manpad Strela-3 / 1972
3rd Generation Manpad Igla / 1981
4th Generation Manpad Verba / 2009
Manpats
1st Generation Manpats RPG-1 / 1944
2nd Generation Manpats RPG-7 / 1959
3rd Generation Manpats RPG-29M / 2003
Infrared missiles
1st Generation IR Missile R-8T / 1958
2nd Generation IR Missile R-98T / 1965
3rd Generation IR Missile R-27T / 1979
4th Generation IR Missile R-74M2 / 2013
Radar Missiles
1st Generation Radar Missile RS-1U / 1952
2nd Generation Radar Missile Type 277 / 1957
3rd Generation Radar Missile R-40R / 1968
4th Generation Radar Missiles R-77 / 1984
5th Generation Radar Missile R-77M / 2016
ATGMs
1st Generation ATGM Shmel / 1958
2nd Generation ATGM Fagot / 1967
3rd Generation ATGM Bastion / 1979
4th Generation ATGM Konkurs-R / 1986
5th Generation ATGM LMUR / 2015
ICBMs
1st Generation ICBM R-7 / 1957
2nd Generation ICBM R-16 / 1961
3rd Generation ICBM R-36M / 1975
4th Generation ICBM RT-2PM / 1985
5th Generation ICBM RS-24 / 2007
Tactical Ballistic Missiles
1st Generation BMs R-2 / 1951
2nd Generation BMs R-17 / 1961
3rd Generation BMs Kh-15 / 1974
4th Generation BMs 9M723 / 1996
5th Generation BMs Kh-47M2 / 2017
Cruise Missiles
2nd Generation CM KS-1 / 1953
3rd Generation CM P-500 / 1968
4th Generation CM Kh-90 / 1990
5th Generation CM Zircon / 2017
Image Intensifiers
0 Generation NV Gamma-VEI / 1941
1st Generation NV TPN-1 / 1957
2nd Generation NV 1PN29 / 1972
3rd Generation NV Buran-PA / 1985
4th Generation NV 1PN138 / 2012
Fly By Wire Systems
Analogue Su-7-100LDU / 1967
Digital Tu-160 / 1981
Fully digital Su-37 / 1996
Tank Ballistic Computer
Mechanical BV-279 / 1959
4x bit digital 1V510 / 1973
8x bit digital 1V517 / 1975
16x bit digital 1V520 / 1980
32x bit digital 1V558 / 1988
64x bit digital 1V568 / 2009
Infrared Imaging
Low Light level television IVP-2 / 1968
1st Generation IRLS Photon-4 / 1966
2nd Generation IRLS Zima-8R / 1979
1st Generation FLIR Agava / 1982
2nd Generation FLIR Progress-2 / 1986
3rd Generation FLIR Nocturne / 2000
IRST
1st Generation IRST SIV-52 / 1958
2nd Generation IRST TP-23 / 1970
3rd Generation IRST OLS-M / 1986
4th Generation IRST 101KS-V / 2009
Fighter Radar
Rangefinding Radar SRD-1 / 1950
1st Generation Radar Gneiss-2 / 1942
2nd Generation Radar Smerch / 1958
3rd Generation Radar Zaslon / 1976
4th Generation Radar Sintez-10 / 1982
5th Generation Radar Faraon-M / 1999
6th Generation Radar Byelka / 2018
Attack Aircraft
1st Generation Attack Aircraft Il-2 / 1940
2nd Generation Attack Aircraft Il-28 / 1948
3rd Generation Attack Aircraft Mi-1MU / 1961
4th Generation Attack Aircraft Su-24 / 1970
5th Generation Attack Aircraft Mi-28N / 1995
6th Generation Attack Aircraft Su-25SM3 / 2011
Strategic Bombers
1st Generation Strategic Bombers Pe-8 / 1936
2nd Generation Strategic Bombers Tu-16 / 1952
3rd Generation Strat Bombers Tu-95MS / 1981
4th Generation Strat Bombers Tu-95MSM / 2016
Supersonic Bombers
1st Generation Supersonic Bombers Tu-98 / 1956
2nd Generation Supersonic Bombers T-4 / 1972
3rd Generation Supersonic Bombers Tu-22M3M / 2016
CIWS
1st Generation CIWS AK-230 / 1956
2nd Generation CIWS AK-630 / 1964
3rd Generation CIWS Kortik / 1987
4th Generation CIWS Palma-SU / 2010
Naval Gun
1st Generation Naval Gun AK-726 / 1958
2nd Generation Naval Gun AK-130 / 1977
3rd Generation Naval Gun A-190 / 1997
Torpedoes
1st Generation Torpedoes Aleksandrovskiy / 1865
2nd Generation Torpedoes Type 53-27 / 1927
3rd Generation Torpedoes Type 53-65 / 1965
4th Generation Torpedoes USET-80 / 2005
ASW Weapons
1st Generation ASW Weapons BMB-1 /1936
2nd Generation ASW Weapons RBU-6000 / 1960
3rd Generation ASW Weapons RPK-6 / 1981
4th Generation ASW Weapons RPK-9 / 2008
Mine Ships
1st Generation Mine Ships Albatros / 1909
2nd Generation Mine Ships T58 / 1957
3rd Generation Mine Ships Natya / 1970
4th Generation Mine Ships Alexandrit / 2014
Aircraft Carriers
2nd Generation Aircraft Carriers Moskva / 1965
3rd Generation Aircraft Carriers Kiev / 1972
Naval Vessel
1st Generation Naval Vessel Sverdlov / 1950
2nd Generation Naval Vessel Kynda / 1961
3rd Generation Naval Vessel Kara / 1969
4th Generation Naval Vessel Buyan / 2005
5th Generation Naval Vessel Derzky / 2021
Submarines
1st Generation Submarines Narval / 1914
2nd Generation Submarines S-class / 1936
3rd Generation Submarines November / 1959
4th Generation Submarines Delta / 1972
5th Generation Submarines Borei / 2008
Counter Batteries
1st Generation Counter Batteries ARSOM / 1960
2nd Generation Counter Batteries Zoopark-1 / 1987
3rd Generation Counter Batteries Penicillin / 2015
Mobile Radar
1st Generation Mobile Radar P-3 / 1945
2nd Generation Mobile Radar P-12 / 1956
3rd Generation Mobile Radar ST-67 / 1973
4th Generation Mobile Radar Nebo-SV / 1985
5th Generation Mobile Radar Nebo-M / 2010
Naval Radar
1st Generation Naval Radar Redan-1 / 1945
2nd Generation Naval Radar Voskhod / 1967
3rd Generation Naval Radar Pitselov-M / 1998
AEW&C Aircraft
2nd Generation AEW&C Aircraft Tu-126 / 1962
3rd Generation AEW&C Aircraft A-50U / 2008
Radar Warning Receiver
1st Generation RWR PRS-1 / 1947
2nd Generation RWR SPO-3 / 1960
3rd Generation RWR SPO-15 / 1973
4th Generation RWR SPO-32 / 1983
5th Generation RWR SPO-150-16M / 2008
Infrared Countermeasures
1st Generation IRCM UV-3A / 1975
2nd Generation IRCM Sukhogruz / 1980
3rd Generation IRCM Vitebsk / 2010
Missile Approach Warning
1st Generation MAW Mak-UL / 1974
2nd Generation MAW MAK-UFM / 1990
United States
Fighter Jets
Biplane Fighter Aircraft E-1 / 1917
Metal Mono Fighter Aircraft P-35 / 1937
1st Generation Fighter P-80 / 1945
2nd Generation Fighter F4D / 1951
3rd Generation Fighter F-4C / 1963
4th Generation Fighter F-14A / 1970
4+ Generation Fighter F/A-18A / 1978
4++ Generation Fighter F-15E / 1986
5th Generation Fighter F-22 / 1997
6th Generation Fighter F-47 / 2025
Helicopters
1st Generation Helicopter S-52 / 1950
2nd Generation Helicopter UH-1 / 1960
3rd Generation Helicopter S-70 / 1974
4th Generation Helicopter Bell 407 / 1996
Tanks
1st Generation Tank M48A2 / 1953
2nd Generation Tank M60A2 / 1971
3rd Generation Tank M1 Abrams / 1976
3+ Generation Tank M1A2 Abrams / 1990
3++ Generation Tank M1A2 CATTB / 1994
3.5 Generation Tank M1A2 SepV3 / 2015
4th Generation Tank Abrams X / 2022
IFVs
2nd Generation IFV AIFV / 1974
4th Generation IFV M2A3 Bradley/ 1998
5th Generation IFV M2A4 Bradley / 2018
SPAGs
1st Generation SPAG T30 / 1940
2nd Generation SPAG M7 / 1942
3rd Generation SPAG M109 / 1961
4th Generation SPAG M109A6 / 1990
5th Generation SPAG XM2001 / 1999
6th Generation SPAG M1299 / 2018
SPAAGs
1st Generation SPAAG M1918 / 1918
2nd Generation SPAAG M19 / 1944
3rd Generation SPAAG M163 / 1965
4th Generation SPAAG M246 / 1980
5th Generation SPAAG Centurion / 2003
Towed Guns
1st Generation Artillery 3-inch Gun 1902 / 1902
2nd Generation Artillery M198 / 1969
3rd Generation Artillery M777 / 1990
Towed AA Guns
1st Generation AA M1918 / 1918
2nd Generation AA 37mmM1 / 1939
3rd Generation AA M51 / 1951
4th Generation AA M167A2 / 1984
MLRS
1st Generation MLRS T34 Calliope / 1943
3rd Generation MLRS M270 / 1982
4th Generation HIMARS / 1998
Area Defence
1st Generation SAM SAM-A-1 / 1946
2nd Generation SAM RIM-8 / 1955
3rd Generation SAM RIM-7M / 1975
4th Generation SAM MIM-104F / 1997
5th Generation SAM David's Sling / 2017
Point Defence Systems
1st Generation VSHORAD Mauler / 1962
2nd Generation VSHORAD Chaparral C / 1974
3rd Generation VSHORAD Chaparral G / 1987
Manpats
1st Generation Manpats Bazooka / 1942
2nd Generation Manpats M72 LAW / 1961
3rd Generation Manpats SMAW II / 2012
Manpads
1st Generation Manpad Redeye / 1961
2nd Generation Manpad Redeye II / 1975
3rd Generation Manpad Stinger B / 1983
4th Generation Manpad Red Wasp / 2024
Infrared Missiles
1st Generation IR Missile AIM-4B / 1951
2nd Generation IR Missile AIM-9D / 1964
3rd Generation IR Missile AIM-9M / 1983
4th Generation IR Missile AIM-9X / 2000
Radar Missiles
1st Generation Radar Missile AAM-A-1 / 1947
2nd Generation Radar Missile AIM-4A / 1949
3rd Generation Radar Missile AIM-54A / 1966
4th Generation Radar Missile AIM-120A / 1984
5th Generation Radar Missile AIM-260 / 2021
ATGMs
1st Generation ATGM SSM-A-23 / 1954
2nd Generation ATGM MGM-51 / 1964
3rd Generation ATGM AGM-114 / 1982
4th Generation ATGM AGM-114L / 1995
5th Generation ATGM AGM-179 / 2018
ICBMs
1st Generation ICBM ATLAS / 1959
2nd Generation ICBM Minuteman I / 1962
3rd Generation ICBM Minuteman-III / 1970
4th Generation ICBM Trident I / 1979
5th Generation ICBM Sentinel / 2024
Tactical Ballistic Missiles
1st Generation BMs Corporal / 1952
2nd Generation BMs Redstone / 1958
3rd Generation BMs Pershing II / 1977
4th Generation BMs M48 ATACMS / 1999
5th Generation BM AGM-183 / 2019
Cruise Missiles
2nd Generation CM MGM-13 / 1956
3rd Generation CM AGM-84 / 1970
4th Generation CM Tomahawk BIII / 1993
5th Generation CM HAWC / 2021
Image Intensifiers
0 Generation NV M1-S-1 / 1938
1st Generation NV AN/PVS-1 / 1959
2nd Generation NV AN/PVS-5 / 1971
3rd Generation NV AN/PVS-7 / 1983
4th Generation NV AN/PVS-14 / 2000
Infrared Imaging
Low Light Level Television TI-FLIR / 1963
1st Generation IRLS CORONA / 1959
2nd Generation IRLS Hughes TP / 1965
1st Generation FLIR AN/AAS-33 / 1975
2nd Generation FLIR AN/AAQ-14 / 1983
3rd Generation FLIR AN/AAQ-28 / 1998
Fly By Wire Systems
Analogue LLRV / 1964
Digital F-8C-802 / 1972
Fully digital C-17 / 1991
Tank Ballistic Computer
Mechanical M13A3 / 1957
4x bit digital XM150 / 1971
8x bit digital M21E1 / 1977
16x bit digital X-M1 / 1978
32x bit digital X-M2 / 1986
64x bit digital CATTB / 1994
IRST
1st Generation IRST AN/AAR-5 / 1949
2nd Generation IRST AN/AAR-21 / 1960
3rd Generation IRST AN/AAS-42 / 1990
4th Generation IRST AN/AAQ-32 / 2004
Fighter Radar
Rangefinding Radar AN/APG-30 / 1948
1st Generation Radar AN/APG-1 / 1943
2nd Generation Radar AN/APQ-100 / 1958
3rd Generation Radar AN/ASG-18 / 1963
4th Generation Radar AN/APG-67 / 1979
5th Generation Radar AN/APG-77 / 1996
6th Generation Radar AN/APG-79-V4 / 2019
Attack Aircraft
1st Generation Attack Aircraft A-12 / 1933
2nd Generation Attack Aircraft B-57 / 1951
3rd Generation Attack Aircraft A-5 / 1958
4th Generation Attack Aircraft F-111D / 1967
5th Generation Attack Aircraft A-4AR / 1998
6th Generation Attack Aircraft AH-64E / 2014
Strategic Bombers
1st Generation Strategic Bombers B-17 / 1938
2nd Generation Strategic Bombers B-36 / 1949
3rd Generation Strategic Bombers B-52H+ / 1982
Supersonic Bombers
1st Generation Supersonic Bombers B-58 / 1956
2nd Generation Supersonic Bombers B-1A / 1974
3rd Generation Supersonic Bombers B-1B-IBS / 2012
CIWS
2nd Generation CIWS Phalanx / 1973
3rd Generation CIWS Phalanx Block 1B / 1998
Naval Gun
1st Generation Naval Gun Mark 42 / 1953
2nd Generation Naval Gun Mark 45 Mod 2 / 1980
3rd Generation Naval Gun Mk 45 Mod 4 / 2000
Torpedoes
1st Generation Torpedoes Howell / 1875
2nd Generation Torpedoes Mark 14 / 1938
3rd Generation Torpedoes Mark 46 / 1963
4th Generation Torpedoes Mark 54 / 2001
ASW Weapons
1st Generation ASW Weapons RUR-4 / 1949
2nd Generation ASW Weapons RUR-5 / 1960
3rd Generation ASW Weapons RUM-125A / 1982
4th Generation ASW Weapons RUM-139C / 2004
Mine Ships
1st Generation Mine Ships Lapwing / 1918
2nd Generation Mine Ships Agile / 1951
3rd Generation Mine Ships Avenger / 1985
Aircraft Carriers
1st Generation Carriers Langley / 1912
2nd Generation Carriers Forrestal / 1954
3rd Generation Carriers Nimitz / 1972
4th Generation Carriers Gerald R. Ford / 2013
Naval Vessels
1st Generation Vessel Forrest Sherman / 1953
2nd Generation Naval Vessel Farragut / 1958
3rd Generation Naval Vessel Spruance / 1973
4th Generation Naval Vessel Arleigh Burke / 1990
5th Generation Naval Vessel Zumwalt / 2013
Submarines
1st Generation Submarines A-class / 1901
2nd Generation Submarines Porpoise / 1935
3rd Generation Submarines Nautilus / 1954
4th Generation Submarines Los Angeles / 1974
5th Generation Submarines Seawolf / 1995
Counter Batteries
1st Generation Counter Bats AN/MPQ-10 / 1951
2nd Generation Counter Bats AN/TPQ-37 / 1979
3rd Generation Counter Bats AN/TPQ-53 / 2009
Mobile Radars
1st Generation Mobile Radar AN/TPS-1 / 1944
2nd Generation Mobile Radar AN/TPS-25 / 1956
3rd Generation Mobile Radar AN/TPS-32 / 1969
4th Generation Mobile Radar AN/TPS-59 / 1985
5th Generation Mobile Radar AN/TPS-80 / 2012
Naval Radar
1st Generation Naval Radar XAF / 1938
2nd Generation Naval Radar AN/SPS-48 / 1962
3rd Generation Naval Radar AN/SPY-3 / 2008
AEW&C Aircraft
1st Generation AEW Aircraft E-1 / 1955
2nd Generation AEW Aircraft E-2 / 1960
3rd Generation AEW Aircraft E-2D / 2007
Radar Warning Receivers
1st Generation RWR AN/APS-13 / 1943
2nd Generation RWR AN/ALR-25 / 1963
3rd Generation RWR AN/ALR-50 / 1970
4th Generation RWR AN/ALR-67 / 1980
5th Generation RWR AN/ALR-97 / 2000
Infrared Countermeasures
1st Generation IRCM SUU-25 / 1970
2nd Generation IRCM AN/ALQ-140 / 1975
3rd Generation IRCM AN/AAQ-24 / 2005
Missile Approach Warning receivers
1st Generation MAW AN/APR-26 / 1970
2nd Generation MAW AN/AAR-56 / 1996
Totals
Russia 79x 16 firsts
USA 112x 26 firsts
Both sides lead military innovation in different areas. In other areas we have
First military to utilise paratroopers
R-7 which is the world's first ICBM
APS first underwater rifle
I-16 first mass produced metal monoplane fighter with retractable landing gear.
P-15 first anti ship missiles used to sink another ship
Drozd world's first hard kill APS
Tu-144 world's first supersonic jetliner
RT-21 Temp 2S world's first mobile ICBM
System A the first anti ICBM system
Avangarde world's first hypersonic glide vehicle
N011M Bars for Su-30MKI was the world's first PESA/AESA hybrid radar
Zircon world's first hypersonic cruise missile
101KS-O world's first DCIRM in a stealth fighter
MiG-31 which is the world's fastest operational fighter jet
Zaslon for MiG-31 which is world's first phased array radar for fighter jet
Basis for modern stealth technology with papers written by soviet scientist Pyotr Ufimtsev
World's longest air to air kill at over ~300 km against a Su-27 by an R-37M fired by a Su-57 or MiG-31BM
U-5TS world's first smoothbore gun for the T-62 tank
Only 3rd Generation Fighter to have defeated 4 different 4th and 4+ Gen fighters with the MiG-25 beating an F-14A, F-15C and F/A-18C.
Combination-K for T-64A world's first serial use of composite armour for tanks
Kontakt-1 world's first serial ERA for use in tanks
RK-RLDN/APD-518 for the MiG-31 world's first modern data link produced (high speed comms, digital, encryption, ECM etc.)
Komar class boat, the first naval vessel to utilise guided missiles
R-11 Zemlya fired from Zulu submarine world's first SLBM
Kara cruiser with world's first guided missiles launched from 90° VLS Cells
Mi-26 world's largest helicopter to be produced with Mi-12 being largest outright
Ka-15 world's first serially produced coaxial helicopter
Ka-50 world's first helicopter with an election seat
"Russia had no night attack aircraft until 2000s"
Another one that is pretty pervasive.
Su-25T / 1983 with the Merkuriy SD LLLTV targeting pod.
MiG-27K / 1974 with Kaira-1 LD LLLTV
Su-24M / 1977 with Kaira-24M SD LLLTV
Kaira-24
“Russian fighter jets just copy western”
Really ?
F-15
MiG-25
Or how much the F-35 looks like the Yak-43 (a stealthy version of Yak-141) and funnily enough Lockheed would buy the Yak-141s VTOL system (US tried and Failed years earlier on similar designs)
Yak-43
F-35
Here we have the Ye-8 designed in late 50s and flew in 1962 which looks similar to Eurofighter Typhoon.
Here we have the Tsybin RSR mach 3+ recon aircraft designed in early 50s with flights in 57 and 59 which is similar to US A-12 and SR-71 developed in the 60s.
“T-72 is one of the worst tanks of all time”
Yep, this is actually an argument. It's literally the opposite. It's the most combat proven.
T-72/M models have destroyed or mission killed (I know K/D of tanks isn't a thing but still)
Chieftain Mk.3 200x
M60A1 14x
M47M 10x
Magach 6B 4x
Magach 7 1x
Merkava Mark 1 1x
M2A2 Bradley 2x
M1A1 Abrams 1x
BMP-1 3x
T-72M1 10x
T-34-85 13x
236x equal Generation
16x lower Generation
8x higher Generation
T-72B models have destroyed
BMP-1P 11x
BMP-2s 32x
T-62 22x
T-72SIM1 4x
T-72 56x
T-72AV 51x
T-72BV 55x
T-90A 1x
7x higher Generations
106x equal Generation
67x lower Generation
It's lost to T-90M, T-80BV and T-64BV
T-72B3 models have destroyed (not disabled)
M1A1SA Abrams 1x
Leopard 2A4 1x
Leopard 2A6 1x
CV90C 1x
M2A2-ODS-SA Bradley 3x
BMP-2 5x
T-64BV 9x
T-64BM 6x
11x equal Generation
16x lower Generation
Lost to Leopard 2A4 and T-64BM
The one time an Abrams faced an equal tank (M1A1SA vs T-72B3) it lost. Meanwhile the T-72 series has consistently proven itself. People LOVE cherry picking the gulf war where it was outclassed due to unfair fighting and ignore the Armenian, Georgian, Iranian and Syrian wars where it has done amazing against peer generation tanks.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191222130342/https://history.army.mil/CHRONOS/mar91.htm#prof
https://btvt.narod.ru/2/iraqarmy2.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20100323174631/http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_214.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nasr
https://archive.armorama.com/forums/285661/index.htm
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html?m=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nas
“Your Irbis-E is a 70s level radar”
In no universe is the Irbis-E a 70s level radar.
“But it's just a PESA”
No it's not. It's a hybrid beamforming PESA which is a hybrid PESA and AESA. Check my history of Russian AESA to find out more.
For example
Notice how there are 1846 total GaAs R/Es with dozens of R/E sub array sticks.
"Russian tanks have no gun depression because they're bad"
This is just nonsense, most are -5° to -7°. They are designed for urban warfare in Europe which is largely flat terrain.
“If it's not important why is it being improved with Russia new tanks”
T-90M -6°
T-80BVM -7°
T-72B3M -6°
It's not ? T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M is still the same with T-14 only being -7° still much less than western tanks of -10 to -15°.
Non argument.
“Russian IRSTs are ancient”
Such nonsense. Old OLS
OLS-27 and OLS-29 2D scanned IR trackers with integrated gimballed laser rangefinders.
Russia's modern OLS-30, OLS-13SM-1, 101KS-V and OLS-35 all utilise an integrated TV, FLIR and IRST with a gimballed laser rangefinder.
Brochures about FLIR
This isn't unique to russia. PIRATE has it as well
“Your ICBMs were bad which is why you had to create big nukes like Tsar Bomba”
We have no clue where this myth comes from. Whilst it's true early ICBMs like R-7 were quite inaccurate (same for US) there is no evidence of this claim especially since by the time of 1961 when the tsar was tested, the R-16 which had very few failure rates and was accurate to the ~kilometre was already in service.
“Your modern fighters are an export failure”
Firstly the Su-35S is an incredibly successful fighter with huge domestic orders along with exports to Algeria, China and Iran with 27 out of over 60 export orders delivered. UAE, Egypt and Indonesia were going to purchase them but were threatened with CASSTA sanctions by the US if they did. That's the US down to a tee, they are so confident in their own equipment superiority that they have to sanction and threaten other countries that buy Russian, Chinese or even Iranian equipment.
Su-34 and Su-75 were again going to be sold to the UAE but they were threatened with sanctions, Su-34ME has since found an export customer.
Su-57 has been bought by Algeria and has interest from Vietnam and Malaysia.
Yak-130 has proved very successful with over 50 airframes exported to 7 countries
Over 120 upgraded MiG-29s with MiG-29SMT aand MiG-29Ms and dozens of new build MiG-29M2s delivered to 6 countries along with India getting new build MiG-29Ks.
Lastly the Su-30Ms are literally one of the most popular modern fighters with Su-30ME, Su-30MKK, Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA, Su-30MKM and Su-30MKV variants for 14 different countries with over 600 airframes made for export in the 2000s with last deliveries made in 2024.
Typhoon pilots have praised the Su-30s and Indian pilots have praised them compared to their Rafales.
"Russian MiG-29K and Su-30 have had fly by wire failures and engine failures"
Very few Russian fighters have had these issues, zero have had any fly by wire issues; they were all by export models. (India is notorious for unreliability)
No different to F-16, F-18 and F-35s
https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=53963
https://theaviationist.com/2015/12/29/super-hornet-recovered-from-the-sea/
https://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/USAF/
"Russian navy ships constantly break down"
I love the Liberal use of the word constantly and always. Yeah ships break down. Your Zumwalt and freedom ships broke down not long after being built. The Queen Elizabeth and Gerald r Ford carriers broke down not long after being built either. Funny how you don't bring this up; yet Russia's 30 year old Kuznetsov breaking down a couple of times because it needs a major overhaul is somehow proof that the Russian navy is bad.
Kuznetsov literally sailed for 20 years with no issues and only started having problems because it needed a major refit.
Western shipyard accidents or ship break downs
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warships1discussionboards/ticonderoga-class-cracks-t15081.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67473729.amp
https://timesofmalta.com/article/death-was-instant-in-shipyard-accident.599286
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjrq0ewj77o.amp
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/11-feared-dead-in-french-shipyard-accident-1.510969
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/world/europe/ship-dock-edinburgh-scotland.html
https://time.com/4148530/navy-ship-breaks-down/
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-07-11-mn-439-story.html
https://turnstiletours.com/worst-accidents-in-the-history-of-the-brooklyn-navy-yard/
https://news.usni.org/2019/03/30/destroyer-struck-barge-pier-side-incident-ingalls-shipbuilding
Or how about just new US navy ships that broke down or had failures ?
"russian fighter jets always break down"
More goofy Liberal use of the word always. From the USAF alone The F-16 has had over 200 mechanical failures, the F-35 and F-22 have over 20. F-15s over 70. F-14s over 40.
https://simpleflying.com/16-mishaps-what-to-know-f-22-raptor-history-of-crashes/
https://simpleflying.com/f-35-fighter-jet-crashes-guide/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F-15_losses
https://www.safety.af.mil/Divisions/Aviation-Safety-Division/Aviation-Statistics/
Accidents happen, malfunctions happen, but I love the hypocrisy, when a western jet breaks it's just an odd accident when a Russian jet breaks its inferior quality.
Brain rot.
"The T-14 was cancelled because it costs too much"
This is just nonsense. Now propaganda institutions have taken the words of rostec head out of context. Here is the quote you will see them using.
"It is, in general, rather expensive. Armata is much superior to existing tanks, but it is too expensive, so the army is unlikely to use it now,"
But they leave out key context in the article.
Full quotes.
"The newest Russian tank T-14 "Armata" is much superior to existing tanks in its characteristics, but it is unlikely to be used in a special operation due to its high cost. This was stated by the general director of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergey Chemezov, RIA Novosti wrote on Monday, March 4.
Chemezov specified that this was specifically about using the Armata during the special operation. The head of the state corporation added that the T-14 Armata tank is in service with the Russian army.
Currently, Chemezov explained, funds are needed for new, cheaper weapons. "Therefore, if there is an opportunity to buy cheaper ones, why not," RIA Novosti quotes the CEO of Rostec as saying.
According to the head of Rostec, it is easier for the Russian army to buy cheaper T-90 tanks."
Original Russian source
https://www.fontanka.ru/2024/03/04/73295120/
Notice how they just completely lie ?
The tank is in service after the LRP order for 50-70 in 2022 was fulfilled.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/812466
https://tass.com/defense/1367015
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=562009&lang=RU
It's even confirmed by Western intelligence
Furthermore Rostec only stated that it wouldn't be bought for the SMO, nowhere does it say it's cancelled or too expensive for the tank. That doesn't even make sense considering the fact the T-90M new build in 2024 can cost anywhere from $5-8m which is similar to the Armata which is estimated at $7-10m.
When he says it's too expensive it's probably a reference to the fact that it's a new design. Which means several things.
First we need to understand the context. Unlike the US, France, Britain or Germany Russian tanks for most part aren't just being made to look nice on parades or bases. They are in a conflict zone which means they are in use.
The T-14 is a completely new tank which means
New Logistics required
New crew training required
New ammunition required
New production required
"What's wrong with this ?"
A LOT. Currently Russia's main tank factories are set up to produce T-90Ms as new builds and upgrade and maintain T-72s, T-62s, T-80s and T-90s into T-72B4-22, T-80BVM-23 and T-90M models along with the large scale mobilisation models like T-72BM, T-80BM and T-62MV-22.
If Russia was to switch to the T-14 then it would need to be set up for mass use otherwise what's the point. So not only would that include fucking up logistics and production as you would need to change a lot to accommodate but you would need to change up tank crews to get them trained as again completely new tank.
Again as rostec said. Why bother with going through all that trouble when the T-90M is just as advanced as most advanced Western MBTs like 2A7 and SepV3 and more advanced than any MBT in Ukraine along with the fact that regardless of how advanced the T-14 is, you still need numbers to effectively perform military operations and even at max capacity (not including the time it would take changing up everything) Russian tank production can produce 200-600 tanks per year at MAX.
In a war you stick to what is cheap and effective, and an easy example of the opposite would be Germany in WWII, The US and USSR stuck with T-34s and M4s, cheap, reliable and easily produced. Whereas Germany constantly kept adding new tanks and changing designs and having to change logistics and training to accommodate it.
"Russian equipment is cheaper because it's inferior"
Utter rubbish
S-400 Battery $400m
Patriot Battery $800m
Both utilise fully digital 64x bit FCS, LPI phased array FC radar, AESA search radars, command hubs utilising C2IS software and C3I communication systems, tracking of 100+ targets along with firing of numerous systems at once along with POKs of 0.7-0.9.
M2A3 Bradley ~$5m
BMP-3M ~$1m
Both utilise 2nd Generation thermals with a panoramic CPS, fully digital FCS, CCI displays utilising C2IS software and global navigation with a C3I digital communication system and both utilising a fully stabilised gun.
2S19M2 $5m
M109A7 $11m
Both utilise fully digital FCS, CCI displays utilising C2IS software and global navigation, fully automatic laying system and a C3I digital communication system and can make use of satellite and laser guided munitions.
HIMARS $6m
Uragan-1M $3m
Both utilise fully digital FCS, digital displays utilising C2IS software and global navigation, fully automatic self laying system and can fire various guided and unguided munitions
AH-64E ~$50m
Ka-52M ~$20m
Both utilise fully digital FCS, digitised flight controls, 3rd Generation FLIR, laser, radar and infrared guided munitions with a stabilised gun. Along with global navigation systems with digital displays utilising C4ISR software.
Vanilla Ka-52M utilises advanced EW, DIRCM, FBW AFCS and AESA radar.
Su-35S ~$30m
F-15EX ~$90m
Both utilising CAD low visibility airframes, both carry 12× hardpoints with Eagle carrying up to 23× and flanker up to 20× with ejector racks, both with AESA radars both using advanced SAR and LPI, FADEC turbofans, No AOA limiter, fully digital flight management system and fully digital fly by wire, advanced integrated RWRs with sensor fusion, Advanced EW systems, use of modern laser, optical, radar and IR missiles along with advanced EW systems and modern LCD HUD and cockpit with a digital LCD MFD HMD and both have sensor fusion but Eagle uses 3rd Generation whilst 35 uses 2nd.
Su-35S also has supercruise along with 3D thrust vectoring and a MAW system along with built in 3rd Generation FLIR along with 3× radars, two AESA and a hybrid PESA.
Eagle can carry 5000 kg more but sacrifices Maneuverability and has more powerful C2 system
You can build THREE Su-35S for the cost of a single Eagle II.
We also have Russian systems which are better than their more expensive American counter parts
Base Abrams SepV3 uses high end 2nd Generation thermals, all digital FCS, CCI display utilising C4ISR software along with an anti IED system.
M1A2 Abrams SepV3 ~$13m
T-14 ~$8m
Base T-14 uses high end 3rd Generation thermals, advanced digital FCS with sensor fusion, digital display utilising C4ISR software, digitised tank controls, advanced gun with advanced munitions, advanced APS protection with all crew protected in armoured capsule.
For context btw the KF-51 (peer Generation to T-14) costs $30-50m for a SINGLE unit.
Constellation Class $1b 7000 tonnes
Gorshkov Class $300m 5400 tonnes
Both utilise fully digital FCS with shipwide to fleet data link along with AESA search radars and electronic optical targeting systems with FHD optics and 3rd Generation FLIR
Gorshkov
Gorshkov loadout
139 total.
1x A-192M 130mm 3rd Generation Naval Cannon
32× 3S-14M multi function VLS Cells with following loadouts.
Zircon extended range 5th Generation ASM
P-800 extended range 4th Generation ASM
Kalibr long range 4th Generation ASM (QP)
Otvet 4th Generation ASW Missile
32× Redut VLS Cells with 9M96E 4th Generation Medium range SAMs (can be quad packed with point defence missiles)
64× Sosna-R 4th Generation VSHORADs
8× light torpedo launchers with Paket-NK 4th Generation torpedoes
2x MTPU 14.5×114mm machine guns.
Counter Measures: 2x Palash 3rd Generation CIWS Prosvet-M 3rd Generation ECM system with 8x jammers. 10x decoy Launchers with the KT-308 and KT-216 systems. 2x 5P-42 electro optical dazzlers.
Constellation
78 total individual weapons.
1x Mk 110 3rd Generation 57mm Naval Gun.
32× Mark 41 VLS cells with the following loadouts
RGM-109E Extended Range 4th Generation ASM
RUM-139C 4th Generation ASW Missile
RIM-174 4th Generation Long Range MultiRole Missile
RIM-161 4th Generation Very Long Range SAM Missile
RIM-162C 4th Generation Medium Range SAM (QP)
RIM-156A 3rd Generation Very Long Range SAM
16× NSM 4th Generation Extended Range ASM
21× RIM-116 3rd Generation VSHORADs
8x M2 12.7mm machine guns
Counter
Measures: 4× Mark 53 Nulka decoy Launchers. AN/SLQ-32V6 3rd Generation ECM system with 6x jammers.
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